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George Harrison (Irish republican) - Wikipedia
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George Harrison (Irish republican) - Wikipedia
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XD didn’t know he made music toooo
Okay, since THAT George Harrison was also connected to the Devlin family then I imagine he would have enjoyed seeing this wee wisp of an Irish lass winning X Factor:
Such a stupid holiday. The Irish are obnoxious and are only surpassed in their victim complex by Jews. The English dragged them kicking and screaming into the civilized world and the thanks they got for it was three-quarters of a century of car bombings because a fifth of their island didn't feel like going back to their Papist ways. Hot women though. The accents really get me going.
Both the Irish and the Jews have some legitimate historical axes to grind. Ditto the Ukrainians.
It would have helped the English in this particular endeavor had they themselves been civilized. Not saying the Irish weren't retrograde Neanderthals in some things (as they still are) but banning their language, banning them from owning land, enslaving them, banning them from learning how to read, not lifting a finger to help during the famine, encouraging the Irish to depart to America, and then making a metric shit-ton of money from them when they left...none of that endeared the British to the Irish.
Spent the afternoon at an Irish pub seeing one beautiful girl after another. Even my Nordic wife was pretty damned impressed!
That's just something every other people in the world did at the time. Humans are awful to other humans, and empathy for others hasn't been a priority for the vast majority of humanity's existence. This doesn't excuse these kind of actions from a modern-day perspective but no one alive today was a victim of the English's or British's treatment of the Irish. Those days have long passed and just like the Jews, and black descendants of slaves today the Irish need to get over it. Generational trauma is a lie perpetuated by people in order to further division over irrelevant issues as a means to deflect attention from current issues and events. Don't punish the son for his father's sins.
Wrong. Britain's mistreatment of the Irish continued well into the 1990's.
In World War Two it was Winston Churchill who was pissed off over Irish neutrality. While I like the man his attitude towards the Irish was not much different from Putin's attitude towards the Ukrainians.
Churchill proposed invading Ireland in order to have access to former British bases in Ireland and so the Royal Army could conscript young Irishmen into the King's service.
It was FDR who shit all over that idea and put it to an end.
During the Troubles the patronizing disrespect of the UK for Ireland reared its ugly head again with literally hundreds of British incursions into the Republic of Ireland. SAS troopers were arrested and prosecuted in Ireland in 1976 and in that same year the British raided into Ireland at least 55 times. Each incident being an act of war.
Irish citizens were sometimes killed during these raids. Sometimes they were people who had fuck all to do with the IRA. These people had family and friends who are alive today.
Overall I am quite fond of the Brits and less so the Irish even though my one grandmother was born in Cork.
Still, the truth is what it is. And the truth doesn't favor the Brits when the subject is Ireland.
This so-called mistreatment was a direct response to continued Irish provocation and aggression. The British gave the Irish a more than fair shake after the Partition of Ireland - which they were under no obligation to do and did so only to avoid further bloodshed after the First World War - and yet the Irish continued to pester and complain about Northern Ireland's choosing to remain a part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.
Churchill was right to have argued for an invasion of Ireland if Ireland was unwilling to provide Britain access to its airbases, airbases which could have dramatically enhanced Britain's ability to counteract German submarines. After the fall of France in 1940 Britain was entirely at the mercy of its ability to import supplies and raw materials from abroad. While actual invasion was unlikely, German U-Boats still threatened her ability to continue to wage war and thus her very survival as a nation. Given that Ireland was unwilling to provide assistance to Britain in their hour of need then I see nothing wrong with Britain deciding to take what it needed by force. This was no different than the decision to invade Iceland and was fully justified in the scope of the war. Furthermore the Irish were hardly as neutral as they wanted to seem. Had the war turned south for Britain you can be certain that Ireland would have kowtowed even more to Germany in order to secure Northern Ireland for themselves, against the wishes of the Northern Irish no doubt.
This is entirely different from Putin's attitude towards Ukraine. Britain was reacting to a war which it believed threatened its very existence - a war which it continually tried to forestall throughout the 1930s despite having ample justification to initiation on its own. Putin is initiating conflict of his own accord with false pretenses and fictitious scenarios in which his Russia is somehow being attacked by an entirely defensive alliance being voluntarily entered into by sovereign nations outside of its borders. At no point did NATO, the US, or Europe provide any indication that they wanted anything but peace with Russia. Like Germany in the 1930s, Russia instead has repeatedly violated agreements to which it was a part of in order to further its expansionist policies.
For all the arguments about self-determination that are made by Ireland and its sympathizers these are undermined by the Irish's rejection of Northern Ireland's own decision to remain a part of the United Kingdom. The Irish were unwilling to accept the terms of the agreement despite their having done so in the first place. It was this unwillingness to abide by their own agreement that lead to Britain feeling that it was forced to respond in the way it did. Had the Irish nationalists accepted the generous terms of the Partition and went on with their lives in the first place then none of the terrible things which occurred during the Troubles would have happened at all.
The Britain of the 20th century - and especially the post World War Two Britain - was not one intent on genocide and conquest. They were merely trying to retain the integrity of their country in the face of the collapse of the Empire following the Second World War. Had Britain been the evil, genocidal colonizers that their detractors continually label them then their response to India's desire for independence, as well as the rest of their empire would have been much more heavy-handed than it was.
So I say once again that no one alive today was a victim of Britain's historical mistreatment of the Irish. It was the Irish who brought the harm done to them after the Partition upon themselves when they chose to continue to agitate and foment rebellion and conflict in violation of their own agreements. The Irish fucked around and then they found out. That both sides were finally done with the pointless bloodshed in the 1990's is a testament to the liberal values which England and later Britain brought to the world prevailing over petty revanchism.
I have sympathy for the Irish of the 19th century and earlier who did legitimately suffer from unjust actions by the British. I have none for those of the 20th century who merely reaped what they sowed and then had the audacity to complain about it.
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Which negates Irish sovereignty. The act of war against Ireland would have impacted American support for Britain when the Irish-American population (FDR's Democrats) would predictably object to giving any material support to the Brits.
Britain's hostile act towards Ireland would have cost them far more than they would have gained.
In any case the incursions into Ireland during the Troubles were violations of the border and where people died in these incursions then yes they affected people who are alive today. This shit all happened in my lifetime.
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St Patricks day is a Roman Catholic holiday that has been celebrated by Irish for over 1,000 years you disrespectful bigot.
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lol. Just enjoy it as it's another day to connect with mates, have a few extra pints, wear green, smile, yell and have a good time. No need to get all historic about it. Fuck, go have some drinks. Hell, the world is already two drinks behind 
You're right. That's why the British didn't do it. They realized that, given the US's position on the matter, the benefits would not outweigh the costs. The US did not hold such reservations with regards to Iceland of course, and the British did invade and occupy Iceland after Germany defeated Denmark - Iceland's parent nation. The US even occupied Iceland itself, agreeing to do so before the formal outbreak of hostilities between Germany and the US. All of these actions were in violation of Iceland's sovereignty and self-declared state of neutrality.
Britain violated Ireland's borders during the Troubles because it was engaging what it believed to be a threat to its own integrity and national interests. These violations were all predicated on the continued existence of Irish-backed Northern Irish rebels who were unhappy with the status of the agreements their country had entered into with Britain : specifically they did not wish for Northern Ireland to be a part of the United Kingdom and desired to join the Republic of Ireland. While people were affected by this - including innocent people being killed - their deaths were the result of Ireland's actions in fostering a republican, anti-British movement within Britain's sovereign territory. In essence, Ireland violated Britain's sovereignty first.
This was no different than the US sending repeated incursions into Laos and Cambodia during the Vietnam War to attack the supply lines and encampments used by the North Vietnamese-backed Viet Cong, or the violation of Pakistan's sovereignty to eliminate Osama bin Laden. These were not actions done with the intent of eliminating or brutalizing an entire people - things which the British did do to the Irish in the past before the Partition of Ireland - or with the aim to conquer new land or territory, they were specific, targeted actions done to counteract a perceived threat. Unfortunately some of those actions resulted in the deaths of people who were not the intended targets. That's the nature of warfare sadly. Sometimes people get caught in the crossfire.
Contrast this to Russia's actions in Ukraine. The existence of the pro-republican forces in Ireland is not in question. Nor is their support of republican forces in Northern Ireland. In Ukraine however Russia fabricated a separatist movement within several regions of Ukraine in 2014 and used these fabrications as a pretext to annex this territory to fulfill its revanchistic desires of bring all of its former territories under its control. The current war is a result and continuation of that initial violation of Ukraine's sovereignty. The Ukraine was not harboring and providing aid to anti-Russian forces like the Republic of Ireland was to republicans in Northern Ireland.
If the Irish did not wish to see a partitioned Ireland where their island was divided between two respective countries then they shouldn't have agreed to the terms of the agreement in the first place. If these kinds of multiple-state situations are to work then both sides have to work within the confines of their agreements. The British were intending to do that after the Partition while the Irish clearly were not.
I very much doubt that most people today view it as a somber celebration of a saint's feast day.
