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Thoughts on "KYS" or "Kill Yourself" used in chat
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the initial statement was asking for thoughts on a (imho) shitty thing to say and wether it should be boxed out like some other colorful words that BZ has blocked. Not meant to evolve into what it evolved into. i mean, it took quite a turn.
Also- All men are inherintly evil. It takes effort to be "good". being evil takes no effort whatsoever.
Hogwash, men created in the image of God are not inherently evil. Free will is a choice.
You're right, the "ment" come from "mentum" meaning mechanism basically, @ithinkimabunny has been listening to too many crackpots like Michael Tsarion or Jordan Maxwell. I swear to god imma have to come down there and starting handing out books to y'all myself...While govern does indeed come ( via French ) from the Latin gubernare ( which is actually originally borrowed from the Greek nautical term kybernan meaning to steer or pilot the helm of a ship ) meaning to control, direct, or steer I am not so certain that the -ment of government derives from the Latin mens. The suffix -ment is instead added to verbs to make a noun indicating the product or result of the action of a verb or the means or instrument of said action. Words like amazement , bewilderment, and astonishment are indeed evocative of a mental condition but this is countered by words like betterment, disfigurement, and banishment which are not in any way associated with the status of the mind. I would say that the similarity to the Latin mens is instead coincidental.
-ment - Etymology & Meaning of the Suffix
From Latin origin, this common suffix forms nouns from verbs, indicating the result, means, or instrument of the action, evolving through Vulgar Latin and Old Fre...www.etymonline.com
I'll bite. What does "mentum" mean? I'm not sure where you derive that it 'basically' means mechanism. Would you please share your line of reasoning?
The way English evolved was by altering already wide spoken languages like Latin, German and French but you can't say "Government" means "Govern" and "Ment", that would be like saying the word "Tactics" is made of "Tac" and "Tics", put some Tac on those little Tics so they fight better, see what I mean?
Another good example is "Helicopter", it's not made of "Heli" and "Copter", instead it's "Helico" and "Pter" (think like "Pterodactyl" same word). "Government" is not a compound word just like "Governer" (how do you Govern an Er?) and "Governance" (wtf is an Ance?) are not compound words.
The bigger issue is liars (guys like Tsarion, Maxwell, Peterson etc...) who use small connections like how "ment" means "mind" in some other language to try and make some point (and likely to get money from you in some way). There was a big movement in the 1800's to do this by guys like Gerald Massey and Helena Blavtsky, both of whom I think meant well but most of our modern grifters are just building on what they were doing because it sounds mystic and plausible.
Given your response, are we then to understand that the word "government" (love how you capitalized it, making it a proper noun) is not a construction of the participles 'govern' and 'ment'? Wouldn't that invalidate your entire previous line of reasoning wherein you state that 'ment' "basically means mechanism"? Help us out.
It's called a suffix (or sometimes a morpheme) it's not a word that means anything on its own. When you add it to a word it alters the meaning but it is not a word in itself (like a compound word), but even morphemes come from SOMEWHERE. It's the same with the word "Amazement", does that mean a mind full of amaze? That makes no sense, it's just expressing the medium by which you experience that feeling. Adding the "ment" to the word "govern" makes the word mean something like the "method of the ability to govern".
The fact that "ment" kinda sorta looks like "mente" from a completely different language is just coincidence and means nothing.
The fact that "ment" kinda sorta (luzluzul) just coincidently looks like "mente" means nothing? We add additional participles to words to qualify meaning and it means nothing? Do you realize how silly that sounds?
If your mind isn't the target of an 'amazement' then what is? As you put it, wouldn't the "medium" by which we experience "amazement" be in our minds? Where do you experience amazement? Your foot?
You're going off the tracks fast.
Yes you have got it. This doesn't mean ALL the individual parts of every word has a meaning on it's own, that's not at all how language works.
Here let me show you:
Masturbation
Mast -> Referencing a ship's mast aka the erect penis thus proving that females shall not pleasure themselves.
Turb -> From the Latin turbulentus "full of commotion, restless, disturbed" therefore you must only pleasure yourself when you're really sad.
Urba -> Aka "Urban" so only those in medium to large size cities shall pleasure themselves.
Bation -> Root word "bati" meaning ugly so only ugly people shall be allowed to pleasure themselves.
Therefore if you aren't a sad ugly disturbed male living in New York the word "masturbation" doesn't apply to you.
This is the same logical fallacy you are using. This is the exact type of fallacy that is used to manipulate you, even though you claim to be immune you are not, none of us are which is why knowing this shit is so important.
luzluzulzluzl. Nice try.
Manus: Latin noun meaning hand
Tubare: Latin verb meaning to disturb or to agitate
Also relevant, Stuprare meaning to defile or violate (also Latin)
Learn your Latin.
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This is PRECISELY how language works.
You're just trying to jam together English words. Your mistake is in not realizing English is Latin based.
This is correct, my version was to demonstrate how NOT to do it. The etymology of government meaning "mind control" is using the way I was demonstrating, looking for connections where none exist.
-Umberto Eco
Re: "How do you Govern an Er?"
Glad you asked.
Nouns of the second declension are regularly masculine or neuter (no sex). Nouns ending in -us -er and -ir are masculine.
Reference for your review: https://www.thelatinlibrary.com/101/Declension2.pdf
When formed as a proper noun (name or title for a person, place, or thing is then capitalized) 'govern' becomes 'Governer' (govern + er).
The suffix -er, when added to a verb, references a person or thing that does an action indicated by the root verb (i.e., used to form an agent noun).
A Governer is a man that acts (an actor - there it is again) in purpose of governance.
Now you know. (And knowing is half the battle.)
Someone should start a geopolitics thread so that yall stop clogging up other threads that have nothing to do with it lol.
But I used Latin. Your ridiculous example using 'masturbation' was an attempt to deconstruct into "equivalent" English. Not the same. You did demonstrate how not to do it; however, that's not how it was done in the case of 'government' (shown to be Latin based).
You've gone cross-eyed.
A point of order. I was so amused (in my mind) by your question that I failed to note the following:
It's not Governer it's Governor. The point stands vis. a vis. (Latin shorthand) in that act (verb) becomes actor (noun for one that acts). You get it.