Thoughts on "KYS" or "Kill Yourself" used in chat

Packaging gun ownership as "freedom" is one of the greatest acts of propaganda our society has ever known. Our governments have AGM-114 Hellfire Knife Missiles, if you really upset the brass your AR-15 is nothing more than a security blanket unfortunately.
Latching onto one thing I see. Notice how I provided multiple examples of things that aren't weapons? Seems you are unable to do so.
What makes you think I would listen to that? If anyone comes for them I am going down fighting and dying a free man. You two can be content living as slaves since you've already got the mentality of one.
 
So, let me begin by saying that i dont want to "police language" anywhere, let alone in a game where we're all supposed to be having fun.

That being said - Do you think it is appropriate for someone to type "KYS" or "Kill Yourself" in game? I've seen it a few times (not often, thankfully) and just thought it was some douchebag kid popping off at the mouth. BUT - I dont think it's cool to say that, even in jest. Just doesnt go along with typical banter in game.

Would BZ staff consider perhaps a warning or mute "timeout" for someone typing that? I mean, if you say the name of my second favorite restaurant (CRACKER BARREL) you get a timeout. I just think that it may reign in the dumbfuckery of people in chat.

What say you, good people of Banzoria?


EDIT- favorite restaurant is Waffle House
As long as you dont glitch, TK or say the N word, you can do whatever you want on bZ servers. We can say horrible things about faggots and cunts and be sexist and tell dirty shitty parasite ridden faggots to kill themselves so they finally go to hell and tell the unintelligent useless women to get back in the kitchen where they belong or I will lay hands on them (just displaying what we are actually allowed to say lol, I dont mean that) but god forbid we let one rip with a "soft A" not a "hard R" while talking amongst friends. The rules here have always been a backwards joke, they will never change it. The people who actually do talk like that are shallow and diluted. LIkely they are young and without a broad perspective so I wouldnt entirly blame them or seek to reprimand them, its better to have BF4 as an outlet for that rather than at school or to parents. Maybe they are damaged veterans who got a bump on the head or maybe have a drinking problem. I sometimes wonder if blackarmoredfox or swamp have been hit by an IED so I no longer rag on them when they rant all night, it might not entirly be in their control. Its just in chat, doesnt effect the game too much. Just my opinion but if people were to be reprimanded for saying KYS then bZ should just make all bad words and sayings against the rules. Again, hypotheticly, I can say faggot and cunt and peter-puffer in a deragatory fashion all day but I cant use a goofy acronym? Are you implying one horrendous derogatory saying is not as bad as the other horrendous derogatory saying?I think they are both equally as bad but bZ thinks otherwise. It just doesnt make any sense. It reminds me of my time in the service. One would think there would be a strict rule on how ribbons are wore, but actually the literal rule for which ribbons are donned is "all, some or none" .... so more or less however you want it..... why even have the rule at that point. Right now with bZ its SOME, but it must either be ALL or NONE or its just goofy. Just the opinions of a retard (theres another fun one we are thankfully allowed to use).
 
Please don't be french.
Qu'est-ce que tu viens de dire sur moi, espèce de petite garce ? Je te ferai savoir que j'ai été major de ma promotion dans les Navy Seals, que j'ai participé à de nombreux raids secrets contre Al-Qaïda et que j'ai plus de 300 victimes confirmées. Je suis entraîné à la guerre des gorilles et je suis le meilleur sniper de toutes les forces armées américaines. Tu n'es rien pour moi, juste une cible parmi d'autres. Je vais t'anéantir avec une précision jamais vue sur cette Terre, tu me crois. Tu crois pouvoir te permettre de me dire ces conneries sur Internet ? Détrompe-toi, connard. En ce moment même, je contacte mon réseau secret d'espions à travers les États-Unis et ton adresse IP est en cours de localisation, alors prépare-toi à la tempête, vermine. La tempête qui anéantira cette misérable petite chose que tu appelles ta vie. T'es mort, gamin. Je peux être n'importe où, n'importe quand, et je peux te tuer de plus de sept cents façons, et juste à mains nues. Non seulement je suis très entraîné au combat à mains nues, mais j'ai accès à tout l'arsenal du Corps des Marines des États-Unis et je l'utiliserai à fond pour rayer ton cul de la carte, espèce de petit con. Si seulement tu avais su quel châtiment impie ton petit commentaire « intelligent » allait t'attirer, tu aurais peut-être tenu ta langue. Mais tu ne pouvais pas, tu ne l'as pas fait, et maintenant tu en paies le prix, espèce d'idiot. Je vais te balancer ma fureur et tu vas te noyer dedans. T'es mort, mon gars.

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You guys have been fed WAY too many lies about us, sad to see you believe them so strongly. Canada is a neo-liberalist democracy just like the US, we have free markets, free speech, working courts, no one gets dis-appeared to military courts here.

Canada's secret courts are well documented by Canadian media.


My advice is to stop listening to grifters like Jordan Peterson, I know that's where you got the Gulag Archipelago quote from. It's an amazing book which I have actually read but Peterson has either never read it or totally missed the point of the whole book (much how he missed the point of bill C-16 which is what made him famous in the first place).

My signed copy of the Gulag Archipelago was given to me by Lyn Nofziger who had worked for President Reagan. Nofziger hated the fucking Soviets with a passion that survives him. And while he was pleased with Brian Mulroney's friendship with Reagan he saw Canada as a nation declining in the European fashion.
 

Care to expand on this? Because Trump's AG recently did this:


“The prior administration placed an undue burden on gun owners and vendors by targeting law-abiding citizens exercising their 2nd Amendment rights. The Department of Justice’s new 2nd Amendment Task Force will combine department-wide policy and litigation resources to advance President Trump’s pro-gun agenda and protect gun owners from overreach.”
 
Most of people I’ve known still lives in Plato’s cave, they okay and they don’t have to think beyond what are being tell to think or do.
Panem et circenses, history is very important because everything it’s a cycle and may the context wouldn’t be the same than 1800 years ago but feelings and values are, they’re not offering a game with two people fighting a bunch of tigers and lions in a stadium full of people but wars and speeches of who we should hate to end up pointing an “enemy”. Politicians inciting to others. Guys wearing ties send people to war meanwhile they’re playing golf.

«Homines liberum esse arbitrium putant, quia suarum actionum sunt conscii et ignari causarum, a quibus determinantur» -Spinoza
 
Latching onto one thing I see. Notice how I provided multiple examples of things that aren't weapons? Seems you are unable to do so.

What makes you think I would listen to that? If anyone comes for them I am going down fighting and dying a free man. You two can be content living as slaves since you've already got the mentality of one.
If I may offer Europes perspective: we're laughing at you. Canada however is treated as an actual Democracy.
 
What makes you think I would listen to that?
Because he's the president, and what the president says matters. That was the first thought that popped into his head, and elimination of due process when violating 2nd amendment rights should have been out of the question.

If anyone comes for them I am going down fighting and dying a free man.
We're having a discussion. If you wanna suck yourself off there are other forums for that.

You two can be content living as slaves since you've already got the mentality of one.
I placed the importance of firearms as a metric of freedom in a context lower than that of other rights like the freedom of speech, financial freedom, etc. Guns don't make you free, the ability to make decisions for yourself as an individual does. Instead of name calling, maybe you can try addressing the rest of my prior statement.

Care to expand on this? Because Trump's AG recently did this:


“The prior administration placed an undue burden on gun owners and vendors by targeting law-abiding citizens exercising their 2nd Amendment rights. The Department of Justice’s new 2nd Amendment Task Force will combine department-wide policy and litigation resources to advance President Trump’s pro-gun agenda and protect gun owners from overreach.”
Honestly, that sounds good to me. I'm pro-gun, so I'm happy to see those rights not being infringed upon. My concern comes from his first term, where he was fairly anti-gun. The link I gave you was from his first term. The second issue I had with him was the bump stock ban he enacted by EO that the SC repealed a while back. He also took mentally-ill individuals off the background check list, so now they have access to firearms. At the start of his 2nd term, he removed the WH gun violence prevention office, so gun violence which was trending downwards, is now likely going to go back up.
Even if you don't care about gun violence, gun violence hurts gun rights.
 
Everyone is too much of a pussy to unite and use their guns anyways.

In the American war for independence the population of the Colonies was around three million. Over the course of that long war only around 100,000 men took up arms to fight the British. Roughly three percent.

My point being that some things never change.

Also, one thing I have learned in my lifetime is that I am better off not uniting with anyone unless they know their shit and they can either give or take orders.
 
Y'all need to kill yourselves
I wish I had the courage to do so.
If I may offer Europes perspective: we're laughing at you. Canada however is treated as an actual Democracy.
Laugh all you want. At least I won't get jailed for "hate speech".
Because he's the president, and what the president says matters. That was the first thought that popped into his head, and elimination of due process when violating 2nd amendment rights should have been out of the question.


We're having a discussion. If you wanna suck yourself off there are other forums for that.


I placed the importance of firearms as a metric of freedom in a context lower than that of other rights like the freedom of speech, financial freedom, etc. Guns don't make you free, the ability to make decisions for yourself as an individual does. Instead of name calling, maybe you can try addressing the rest of my prior statement.


Honestly, that sounds good to me. I'm pro-gun, so I'm happy to see those rights not being infringed upon. My concern comes from his first term, where he was fairly anti-gun. The link I gave you was from his first term. The second issue I had with him was the bump stock ban he enacted by EO that the SC repealed a while back. He also took mentally-ill individuals off the background check list, so now they have access to firearms. At the start of his 2nd term, he removed the WH gun violence prevention office, so gun violence which was trending downwards, is now likely going to go back up.
Even if you don't care about gun violence, gun violence hurts gun rights.
I don't care who the president is or what they say. Their statements or actions will not make me surrender my firearms. Trump is an anti-gun New Yorker who I trust as far as I can throw. He was simply the least-bad of the choices provided. The fact that the government in the US is effectively a duopoly is certainly one strike against freedom here and it's something I would like to see change.

I apologize for being overly hostile. Your sole focus on firearms is what angered me however. I provided multiple other metrics of freedom which you ( and Freedom House ) ignored. Instead you stuck on firearms and then added on financial security. While I appreciate your desire to conduct a discussion I would like to know why you ignored my other examples.

You already know the answer to your question about financial security. The only people who feel they are better-off today than 20 years ago ( my god, that was 2005. I was a teenager but it feels like just yesterday ) are the ultra-rich.
 
In the American war for independence the population of the Colonies was around three million. Over the course of that long war only around 100,000 men took up arms to fight the British. Roughly three percent.

My point being that some things never change.

Also, one thing I have learned in my lifetime is that I am better off not uniting with anyone unless they know their shit and they can either give or take orders.
We had our opportunity on January 6th. The people there were too big of pussies to do anything though. Perfect chance for actual change and they got scared because some dumb bitch got shot. I lost all faith in the American people that day.
 
While I appreciate your desire to conduct a discussion I would like to know why you ignored my other examples.
Fair. I didn't address those because I thought it was obvious that the US is losing in pretty much every case.

Ah, Freedom House, the same place that lists countries like Germany and France as having higher freedom ratings than the US despite both countries having laws criminalizing Holocaust denial and/or Nazi imagery.
Yeah, i get this one. As much as i don't like Nazi shit and hate speech that gets flung everywhere, this is still infringing on free speech rights. We have the right to say what we want to say, and believe what we want to believe.

I read about a student getting arrested though, after writing an op-ed in march. This student was arrested for supporting Hamas (Hamas is a terrorist organization and weakens Gaza imo). Turns out, her article doesn't mention Hamas, only talking about her universities response to the Israel-Palestine clusterfuck. This person was held in detention to be removed from the country, and her visa was cancelled. She was later released by the order of a federal judge, so clearly DHS didn't have the proof required to make a case (all they cited was the op-ed). This person was talking about her university, not supporting any terrorism, nor hate speech, or anything else. To be clear, I don't know that there are many examples of this in US history, hell this might be the first.

You're right that we don't have laws against hate speech, and that's a win. Germany has them, and so do a couple other countries. But even though we don't have these laws, this person was still arrested for the act of voicing her opinion. Germany has laws and arrests people for breaking them. Laws can be changed by their legislature, so they are affected by the voice of the people (to an extent). We don't have these laws, and we still arrest people, and I'm not sure who I'd talk to about that. Germany won this one.

They even rank the UK higher than the US. The UK of course having virtually zero firearms rights ( along with a number of other supposedly "free" countries ) , is losing more free speech rights every day
I think this is true, esp. the gun part. If anyone disagrees about the free speech though, I'd be happy to be proven wrong. However, they're not alone. See above.

{The UK is} where the prohibition of double jeopardy has been abrogated.
Partially abrogated. I looked it up, and this law has been used less than a dozen times since it passed 20 years ago. In one case, the guy confessed to murdering a woman after the trial while in prison for another crime. In another case, two men accused of rape and murder of another man were acquitted for lack of evidence. DNA tech used later conclusively linked them and they got the sentence they rightfully deserved. It's used when the new evidence proves culpability, and it's not used lightly. You aren't getting called back to court for your TV license or anything.

Japan is given a rating of 96 despite still maintaining the death penalty.
Yeah, I don't like the death penalty either, but we have the death penalty too. Feds have the death penalty for terrorism, high crimes, etc. States have it, I'm pretty sure I read about a goddamn firing squad execution that happened a couple years back.

Australia is rated at 95 despite labeling toys as firearms
Hilariously, yeah gel firing toys are registered as firearms in some places in australia. They also have different laws around toys that look like actual guns (basically replicas of these guns from what i can see). I don't get the gel firing bit, thats stupid af to me so ill concede that. The toys that look like guns though, I DO get that. It's designed to make it inconvenient to get them, and I get the spirit behind the law. They don't want kids walking around with things that look like guns. I think you'll understand that thats a stupid situation to put a kid in.

{And Australia is} banning small-breasted women from appearing in pornography because they think they might somehow encourage pedophilia.
This one is easy: https://www.newsweek.com/pornography-ban-us-bill-2071409

For those that say this is pending, and not actual law yet: You are correct. This bill probably won't pass. But i think there are tons of red states now that have "age verification laws" to safeguard access around porn. You gotta upload your id to the website, and then the government knows what a naughty naughty boy you are, if they don't already.

Of course, websites aren't gonna do this, so they block access in a lot of those states. In other words? Porn is now banned in those states. You don't have to ban it if you can make it so inconvenient to access that people aren't gonna try.

Maybe porn is offensive to some people, and maybe they want it taken down. But remember that your opinions can be considered offensive by some people too.
 
Fair. I didn't address those because I thought it was obvious that the US is losing in pretty much every case.
I'm lazy and don't feel like setting up the neat formatting that you have. Please accept this mostly organized response instead.

You say that and yet these are clear violations of civil liberties that are not occurring in the US but are occurring in countries with a supposedly higher "freedom" rating than the US. To clarify I am not saying the US is a perfect, free utopia. It is far from that. However these countries also have their fair share of issues when it comes to freedom and in some cases are much worse off than the US when it comes to civil liberties and yet Freedom House rates them higher while ( at least in the case of the UK's double jeopardy changes ) ignoring these issues and focusing on treatment of "migrants".

The student you read about being arrested was not an American citizen. She was a foreign national here on a temporary student visa. I don't care what happens to these people. They are not my countrymen and as far as I am concerned the protections guaranteed by the Constitution do not apply to them. If I had my way there would be no student visas at all. If you can find me an example of an American citizen being detained for the content of their speech then I will gladly stand up in support of their release and acknowledge a deficit of American protection of free speech. The fact that you are deferring to Germany's right to pass laws to detain people for speech is worrying. Similar laws exist in Russia, China, and other places which we can both ( I think ) agree are decidedly not free so what makes Germany's democratically-passed law any less of an infringement? If you say that it is because it was passed as an extension of the people's will then I am going to end our conversation here because it is clear then that you only care about democracy and not individual freedom.

You say that the abrogation of double jeopardy in the UK is only partial and while this is correct it is only correct for now. What is to stop them from abrogating this protection fully? Nothing, because judicial review is essentially non-existent in the UK due to parliamentary sovereignty : any law passed by Parliament can not be overturned by a judge as "unconstitutional". The only exception permissible to double jeopardy is if it is shown that the defendant somehow bribed the judge or jury to find them not guilty. Acquittals by juries are final because if they are not there will be nothing to stop the state from endlessly prosecuting someone until they get the result they desire. The UK's lack of a rigid constitution is its most pressing danger to the freedom its people once gainfully enjoyed.

I don't agree with the death penalty either. I merely included Japan there because it should lower its "freedom rating". It is possible that Freedom House does mention this in their ranking ; I did not read it myself so I will concede this one as being a poor example.

The pornography one is one which I actually have personal experience with. My state passed one of those ID laws. It's inconvenient at worst but for the most part it doesn't have much of an impact. Plenty of websites outside of US hosting exist. Having said this I am fully opposed to these laws and recognize them for the power grabs that they are. These are simply tools to further deanonymize the internet and to create "profiles" of people's browsing habits. Just like the laws proposed against encryption under the guise of stopped child pornographers they are a means to an end and not the end goal itself.

The gel blaster thing is just stupid. Toys are toys. Toys that look like guns are also toys. Banning them is just paternalistic nanny-state behavior. If a kid is stupid enough to use a toy gun in a manner that gets them shot then that's on them. I don't protect stupid people, even children.
 
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