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Complaint from DunkCityEagle about player DunkCityEagle

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In-game Name DunkCityEagle

Date of incident Nov 11, 2017

What game were you playing? BF4

Which server were you on? BZ- All Maps- Hardcore

Describe the incident I've been in the server a lot and report people not following the rules and follow the rules myself because I respect and agree with them. I was a victim of admin abuse twice this week by BZ Slash and the first incident I let slide because he was drunk and I could relate to his frustration and it seemed like an honest mistake so I just ended the conversation with sorry and moved on after informing him I was punished for something I didn’t do. I knew he was drunk because I played on his squad the next round and he had no problem with my game play when I was on his team, only when I was on the other team killing him. Admins shouldn’t be biased and only punish the enemy team or be malignant and punish people because they got killed, that is exactly like griefing but to the enemy instead. The first incident happened on Rouge Transmission where my team controlled every point and people on my team kept getting warned for breaking the rules and firing into the enemy spawn. I was in a tank and saw another tank had just left its spawn on the map so I fired an AP shell at it and it died in one hit. Other players had been lasing the tank but I used the map to find him in bounds. When I was punished it was for firing into enemy spawn so I let Slash know he had left spawn and then he tells me it was for lasing him in spawn which I informed him I also didn’t do, it was just me in the tank, no gunner. So then the problem was that I used a guided shell, which I also informed him I did not use. I understand it seems like a simple mistake because other players on the team were not following the rules and it is frustrating, however, the second incident was a blatant abuse of admin privileges and there were at least 3 other BZ members there that did not step in and say hey he’s following the rules leave him alone. The second incident was on Hammerhead where I was punished for looking into the spawn. I was in a jet on the US team, flying high looking for the enemy jet to leave. Usually it takes a couple seconds to turn my jet in their direction but even when I’m lucky and they are already lined up pretty well, I let the enemy jet past the D point on the map every single time and was fair game to shoot. The jets always had a chance to stay in spawn, turn themselves to face me at a much higher altitude, and attack with the advantage of being able to shoot first. I did not break any rules listed and I again informed him of his mistake, I may have been angry and snappy but I voiced my concern respectfully and wanted answers. You cannot punish people for killing you in a legal way and if looking at the enemy spawn is against the rules, it should be posted on the rules (it would be one hell of a hard rule to enforce). I don’t want Slash to be punished or lose admin privileges, there was a few guys dropping the N word for an hour and it was helpful when Slash came in and muted/kicked them. I just want the points removed from my record and for someone to tell him to stop punishing me for playing fairly. There are 5 of us that use teamspeak and we’ve been playing together for over a year so more often than not, we work well together and destroy the other team. The match started out where BZ was destroying us by lasing everything in sight and killing and I liked the challenge, but not long after we started taking out the ground vehicles and taking the lead I get punished and it was blatantly obvious it was due to frustration from starting to lose rather than any rules being broken. When I said do you want this server to be full of noobs or do you want a challenge, I was muted for the round. I meant no disrespect to BZ with this comment, I was simply challenging the abuse of power by implying that if you punish or ban people for beating you legitimately, you will only be left with people that you are able to beat and do not challenge yourself. Thank you for your time.
 

Hawx

You're Never Right!
Thank you for taking the time to submit this post. We will certainly look into this and see if w can find out everything that was going on. Please allow some time for this to happen and see if we are able to come up with an acceptable resolution.
 

Slash5.0

-bZ- Member
Hi, Thanks for posting. First off I didn't play rogue so not sure what the issue is however let me address your complaint by stating some facts that seem to have escaped you either by omission or confusion. Making bombing runs or waiting behind spawn in aircrafts for people to start taking off in vehicles then making bomb runs on them before and as they leave spawn is unacceptable. I am pretty sure that I explained to you that you had not bombed me but others and assalt and I were outside of spawn watching you. I feel I might have engaged you with more conversation but the blatant acct required a point. The number of complaints was in in excess of 3 which was why we stopped our tank and waited to see if you were in fact the culprit. As everyone started waiting and lazed you, you were killed by a guided shell on a bomb run which was the evidence I required for the punish point. Considering your comment about being drunk, I'm pretty sure one glass of expensive wine would not in anyway impede my judgement. Since this is now an internal issue I will not list the 5 witnesses involved but Will say your point will not be removed unless you jump into team speak and have an actual conversation with me. In the future if you feel people are lazing or firing from spawn please report the issue via our report system by using the following procedure
!report name offense
And an admin will respond to deal with the issue. When their are 5 plus people in server with the bZ tag the issue Will be resolved quickly. I do not have a problem with you playing in our server which as you said you did and we didn't brow beat you after your incident. That having been said stop means stop. Our rules are clear on spawn raping etc. By your own omission you have clarified the issue. Do not hang and wait for people taking off then attack with laz guided etc.

Lastly and least importantly you lost that round and YOU my friend were on the receiving end of an ass whipping which i have been in that spot more times than I'd like but it's a game and it does not mean that breaking the rules is acceptable.
Thank you, and have a nice day
 
If possible, I would like the chat logs pulled to prove my points and address the fact that the reason for being punished on both occasions have changed multiple times. This is your battle report from Rogue followed by mine which should aid in finding the chatlogs and also proves your first statement is incorrect. On this incident, I have 5 witnesses willing to back up my claims. http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/battlereport/show/1/927740420514300672/299580988/

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/battlereport/show/1/927740420514300672/938332819/

This is your battle report from Hammerhead followed by mine (it happened last night, we came back and won and proves a majority of your last paragraph is wrong). You had 3 times as many kills as me and a better score but we pulled off the victory after an awful start. On this incident, I also have 5 witnesses willing to back up my claims, 3 of which are the same witnesses from the first incident and 2 new ones.

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/battlereport/show/1/929226789229925632/299580988/

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/battlereport/show/1/929226789229925632/938332819/

When asking for a reason why I was punished on Hammerhead, you said it was for looking into spawn and shooting jets in spawn and I was angry because I did not just wait until jets left spawn but let them hit the D point before attacking them. Now I’m confused because it seems you’re saying I was punished for shooting tanks/lavs as they were in spawn or leaving spawn because bombing runs implies you’re talking about my laser guided missiles because I only used my machine guns on jets, nobody lased the jets during the round from my frame of reference, maybe they did when I wasn’t looking but I doubt it considering it being odd to only happen when I’m not looking. I never fired upon tanks/lavs when they were in spawn, however, we needed to hold 4 of the 6 points to come back and I am confused because you are saying it is not acceptable to fire upon these vehicles as they leave spawn, as in they completely pass the boundary line knowing they are in bounds and what is supposed to be fair game to fire upon. Since we were holding D, most of the time there were multiple tanks/lavs leaving spawn simultaneously and immediately firing upon our tank at D or going the back roads to get to F (also in bounds). Another inaccuracy here is that you claim my jet was lased and killed with a guided shell which “was the evidence” required for the punish point; I was alive for a long time in the jet and only got 6 kills then randomly died and saw that I was punished so I’m confused because however you decided it was me seems to have been based on an assumption and not actual evidence. I gave up the jets that round because I thought I was going to get kicked or banned for just looking at the vehicles leaving spawn and going to D. One thing to note here too is that on my map, I have a line that shows when you leave spawn, but on your map there is no line and your spawn and being in game are the same color so maybe there was some sort of mistake on whoever is complaining as to when they were in spawn and when they had left spawn. Maybe you made an honest mistake and when you were outside of spawn watching me, misjudged where the spawn line was because your map isn’t as black and white as the enemy’s map because it is subjective to you knowing where the line is without assistance. I thought about jumping onto teamspeak but when I addressed the issue, nobody told me come on teamspeak and discuss it, I was told to shut the fuck up and you guys were getting mad because at least 1 other random person I don’t know started complaining about the admin abuse because they recognized I was playing fair. I also needed to calm down a little bit because I was pissed off that this has happened twice to me within a week and knew I should wait until I calmed down to have the discussion via talking. I would be more than willing to jump on teamspeak and discuss the issue but I brought it up in the forums so the conversation can be moderated and if we go over the issues in teamspeak, I would like to have a third party moderator to hear both sides and stear the conversation in the right direction and to make sure it doesn’t turn into a heated exchange. In the future, I will help you guys out more by reporting the culprits firing into spawn. On Rogue, I could see which tanks were doing it but they were too far to read off the names, next time it happens I’ll move closer and let you know who the actual culprits are. I get extremely annoyed and pissed off when I get killed before leaving spawn and gladly bite the bullet in spawn to find out who it is so I can report them. I would never shoot someone in spawn unless I was fired upon first, it’s just good gaming etiquette. Winning doesn’t feel like winning if you have to cheat or play unfairly. I enjoy playing with you guys because you guys communicate as well which makes you harder to beat than the regular joe that keeps to themself. I don’t think you have a problem with me playing there, I just think there were mistakes made and I’ve been at the receiving end of the stick for reasons that seem tainted. A lot of people know me and my game play, I’ve seen Hawk a bit lately and when SquarePanties told me he lobbied with the BZ crew to get Tusk banned I said no way that guy was really good, why would you do that? He told me Tusk had been warned repeatedly to stop shooting into spawn and I told him that Tusk was stupid af for doing that. Squarepanties would vouch for me. I’m all about the team effort to win and enjoy close games with good competition, not stat padding. We like it when games aren’t a blowout and recognize good players and the boys and I have been talking about starting our own server but we’re happy with the BZ server currently so I want to clear this issue up so I don’t wind up getting punished/kicked/banned. I’ve never been punished before for anything on any server and I’ve been playing the game for over 4 years so this has been a surprising week in gaming for me. If you want to schedule a teamspeak discussion, let me know a day and time that works for you where we can go over this in depth. I know this is a lot to review so I understand if it takes some time. Thanks for listening to my side and hearing me out.
 

Slash5.0

-bZ- Member
Oh now I remember to what you are referring. Thank you for clarifying. However the long read lost me after the first paragraph. The rogue map was from a previous evening. And yes you were up to the same shenanigans. The reason assalts and my kills verse death were so upside down is we came in at the end of the round and let ourselves be killed in spawn several times to figure out who was bombing and spawn killing and yes you were one of them. To brighten your day i have to admit i had totally forgot this occasion which brings up the point again of what you were doing on hammerhead the next night. I apologize for not remembering the punish on rogue.
I do not dwell on past offenses and quite honestly don't keep track of players punishments but let them start anew when they come back or a new round starts.
Just to reiterate you killed me standing next to my tank where I was hoping the splash damage would do just that
IN SPAWN WITHOUT MOVING AN INCH.
Where I care what public opinion is about our server and our admining of it you not only hit me (an admin) but assalt who waited in the tank (another admin) so your long tirade of a post is lost on the facts.
To make this a little more understandable to you, the line you see on your map does not match up with the uncap line on the other side, however sitting in a stationary vehicle after spawning in it would be in spawn.
Players get 10 points before a perm ban so you are no where close to being permed. If I were you I would stop attacking spawn and start following server rules. I will continue to point you every time you pull this so be advised it is time to stop.
Thank you for pointing out that team assalt/ slash administered an ass whipping in hammerhead judging by the k/d it was severe as you will notice the difference in your kdr and ours. Maybe you were a little hot about getting hammered? Don't know or care its a game. Listen, I'm not trying to bum you out, nor am I trying to make you feel unwelcome but maybe you need to reevaluate your strategy if you've been pointed twice for spawn raping. Maybe it was an accident I don't know but it's apparently becoming a pattern of yours in our all maps server.
As for team speak conversations that's up to you. The points stay. All you have done is prove my point. What happens as far as being punished in our server is again completely up to you. I will get with the other senior admins and discuss my decision with them for their feedback as we discuss our servers issues with each other openly and on a consistent basis. Please continue to enjoy the server.
Thank you and have a great day!
 

Billybong

Staff member
Senior Admin
Donator
So...dunkcity....I have read the chat logs...
we had a ton of ass hatz on the server that day.
The infraction you were pointed for you ACTUALLY did....
long story short...I don't expect the admins here to SWIM in BS before pointing someone.
The point was based on your actions nothing more nothing less.
I do want to commend on you on having the longest post for wanting a removal of a point...
oh...and this now concludes this chat thread.
 
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