Like I said, the premise is false. I am not the one raping servers, namely 1.5, and the past year of bz1.5 disproves what you claim. Bz1.5 is also not exclusive when it comes to noobs populating it. Bz1 is just as populated by them. It has nothing to do with "understanding the why" but with the false claims and false idea that bz1 is "full of pros while bz1.5 is full of noobs". I had no issue playing against people in bz1, and getting near/to the top. The only issue I had was that I lagged quite a bit more on 1.
Unban Prime
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I literally back off when it becomes unbalanced, and I do not farm the server. Never have. I mostly play to fight other tankers, as that is what I enjoy doing. You will rarely find me in the server when the poplation is low, unless it is to populate it with the others I play with.
YouGotToast
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Lately, I’ve noticed a lot of toxicity in the Banzore community, and it’s really sad.
I’ve been playing on BZ1.5 since 2022 because of the great maps and the amazing people I’ve met.
Everyone has their favorite server, BZ1, BZ2, or another one and that’s completely fine.
There will always be better players in every server. It’s sad that good players are getting banned just for being skilled, especially those who have been playing for years.
Panties, I remember when you got banned, you were upset. But now that someone you don’t like is banned, you act like you’re above everyone else.
Also, if I’m not wrong, false reports can be bannable too. You act nice around your “friends,” but when you’re alone, it’s a different story. We both know the truth, so deny it all you want.
Maybe one day you’ll learn some empathy or at least realize that Battlefield 4 isn’t real life.
It’s just sad to see a good players leave BZ1.5. Seems like making friends here is a bannable offense too. </3
I’ve been playing on BZ1.5 since 2022 because of the great maps and the amazing people I’ve met.
Everyone has their favorite server, BZ1, BZ2, or another one and that’s completely fine.
There will always be better players in every server. It’s sad that good players are getting banned just for being skilled, especially those who have been playing for years.
Panties, I remember when you got banned, you were upset. But now that someone you don’t like is banned, you act like you’re above everyone else.
Also, if I’m not wrong, false reports can be bannable too. You act nice around your “friends,” but when you’re alone, it’s a different story. We both know the truth, so deny it all you want.
Maybe one day you’ll learn some empathy or at least realize that Battlefield 4 isn’t real life.
It’s just sad to see a good players leave BZ1.5. Seems like making friends here is a bannable offense too. </3
What blows my mind about this, is that while I was talking to neonardo about me "team stacking and server raping" yesterday, he was doing exactly that on bz10 with square panties. When I checked, it was him and a bunch of other 140s on one side, with maybe one 140 on the other. He was 58-1 when I checked. He's admin so he can do that, but I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of it. It still doesn't make aense why he is targeting me, of all people, other than he is friends with panties.
Thats the " rules for thee but not for me ." Bullshit i was talking about
Doing well for a round or two is a lot different than constantly raping scrubs.
Panties plays on bZ1 and rage quits all the time when he gets countered.
I "targeted" you because you're the ring leader of it. If you go to bZ1, your friends will follow.
Nope, you seriously can't see the forest for the tree.
Why don't the two of you go start your own server and manage it how you want?
I'll put it real simple. You can take the unban and take yourself to bZ1 - forgetting 1.5 exists, OR you can continue acting like morons here and I'll just ban you. I don't have time for this crap. Does it suck? In your opinion probably, but this is how it's going to be. No one is forcing you to play on bZ at all.
>Nothing is wrong with me, just trying to keep the server going long term. If it's raped into oblivion (like happened with bZ7) then no one gets to enjoy it.
Anecdotally, I've been seeing BZ1.5 stay populated later than it used to. If the argument is that prime or any of us are killing BZ1.5, show some hard data to support that conclusion.
>The ultimatum here is simple - play on bZ1. I'm not sure why all of you morons can't get that through your brains. If you don't understand the *why* then you are part of the problem.
And if I don't want to sit through Nansha, Lumphini, Lost Islands or whatever other horrible DLC map is on BZ1?
>It's simple, play bZ1, play bZ2, leave the others one alone where scrubs mostly play. Are they noob only servers? No. Is sitting there raping them a problem? Yes.
My squad mates and I shit on scrubs on BZ1 just as hard as we do on BZ1.5. We play 1.5 more because we like the map rotation better. Where does this notion come from that mostly scrubs play 1.5? I see almost all of the good regulars around on both 1 and 1.5.
>If you think you can do better, or if you think I'm "badminning", by all means, go start your own server, work to populate it, rape it until it's empty, and sick there and jerk yourself off when you have no players. Otherwise, sit down, shut up, take the unban, play bZ1/2, and live to whine another day.
Nobody owes it to you to not call out your bullshit just because you run these servers. If you want to have a rule against "raping servers" then fucking write the rule down and enforce it fairly and objectively. Otherwise, this is blatant favoritism/targeting based on personal grudges, i.e. classic badminning.
@neonardo1
Anecdotally, I've been seeing BZ1.5 stay populated later than it used to. If the argument is that prime or any of us are killing BZ1.5, show some hard data to support that conclusion.
>The ultimatum here is simple - play on bZ1. I'm not sure why all of you morons can't get that through your brains. If you don't understand the *why* then you are part of the problem.
And if I don't want to sit through Nansha, Lumphini, Lost Islands or whatever other horrible DLC map is on BZ1?
>It's simple, play bZ1, play bZ2, leave the others one alone where scrubs mostly play. Are they noob only servers? No. Is sitting there raping them a problem? Yes.
My squad mates and I shit on scrubs on BZ1 just as hard as we do on BZ1.5. We play 1.5 more because we like the map rotation better. Where does this notion come from that mostly scrubs play 1.5? I see almost all of the good regulars around on both 1 and 1.5.
>If you think you can do better, or if you think I'm "badminning", by all means, go start your own server, work to populate it, rape it until it's empty, and sick there and jerk yourself off when you have no players. Otherwise, sit down, shut up, take the unban, play bZ1/2, and live to whine another day.
Nobody owes it to you to not call out your bullshit just because you run these servers. If you want to have a rule against "raping servers" then fucking write the rule down and enforce it fairly and objectively. Otherwise, this is blatant favoritism/targeting based on personal grudges, i.e. classic badminning.
@neonardo1
There's a big influx of players right now due to interest in BF6. Same happened with 2042. It will die back down over the next few weeks.
Great, so do it on bZ1. Perhaps take a break if you don't like a map or whatever.
You have a tight-nit circle jerk group and you still haven't addressed why you don't go run your own server. I can tell you why. Because it's a thankless pain where you're always the bad guy - assuming you can even get it to populate to begin with.
You think we/I are badmins? I dare you to go try some other servers. You'll be running back to bZ.
This is false and, on a good day, the 10 plus people just can't up and leave to go to bz1 where the queu is massive.
The thing is, I am not being a moron to you. You unfairly and unjustly bamned me for some things I am not doing. Instead of being reasonable and discussing it, you're doubling down on the false narrative.
I do NOT "team stack"
I do NOT "rape the server".
I play 1.5 because A LOT of good players play there and I am trying to climb the leader board there. The map rotation is a lot better and I do not lag there like I do on bz1.
Honestly, the reason we and a lot of others avoid playing on bZ 1 and bZ 2 is because of how toxic the community is. People just talk nonstop, and it gets really frustrating when we're just trying to play as a squad, which is the whole point of the game. 1.5 doesn't have any water maps except for Parcel, and most of us aren’t fans of water maps. Personally, I find the reg on 1.5 better for me, which is why I play there. I also work during the day and live on the West Coast, so I don’t get on until around 8 PM MST.
I think Prime can be a douche, and Puppet too, but at the end of the day, the bans on both of them aren’t fair. I know it’s your server, but why do this? I remember the admins before they left saying that no one would ever get banned for this, and now here we are. I’m not defending either of them, but it’s about the principle. What’s next? Are you going to start banning anyone who kills you guys? It’s a shame, but the bZ community is pretty much dead now, and you all had a big part in that.
Neo, you used to always be fair, kept to yourself, and helped keep the bZ servers alive. But recently, something seems to have changed. The servers are busy again, yet now you're "banning" regulars who aren't breaking any rules? I'm not trying to defend those two dicks, but my question is… what’s next?
I think Prime can be a douche, and Puppet too, but at the end of the day, the bans on both of them aren’t fair. I know it’s your server, but why do this? I remember the admins before they left saying that no one would ever get banned for this, and now here we are. I’m not defending either of them, but it’s about the principle. What’s next? Are you going to start banning anyone who kills you guys? It’s a shame, but the bZ community is pretty much dead now, and you all had a big part in that.
Neo, you used to always be fair, kept to yourself, and helped keep the bZ servers alive. But recently, something seems to have changed. The servers are busy again, yet now you're "banning" regulars who aren't breaking any rules? I'm not trying to defend those two dicks, but my question is… what’s next?
This isn't a ban per say. I put the ban in place to start the conversation, where the goal is to push a certain group of people to a different server. Those players don't like that ultimatum and want to whine badmin instead and here we are.
Rules are what get you hard bans, but plenty of other things are done all the time to manage the servers to keep population going. Sometimes it's in the form of asking people not to play certain servers, sometimes it's asking people to back off, sometimes it's asking people to split up their group, sometimes it's telling people to "knock it off" and stop raping the server.
What's happening here has been done many times privately, and never have we had a person/group react like this. It's simply trying to manage the servers and some people just want everything spoon-fed to them - they want servers to rape and pillage for their fun but they don't understand that work goes into actually keeping them populated and going. Clearly it's working as we run some of the most popular servers in BF4, and these knuckleheads just don't get it.
TL;DR - we've taken similar varying management actions on players unrelated to direct rule violations many, many times and generally people are understanding and mature about it. In this case it's clearly a group of children.
I agree with your approach to mitigate the issues, but no matter if these players are banned on 1.5, the server will still die at the same time each night. Neo, you have access to server stats—can you compare the server's activity when these "stackers" play and cause the issues, and then compare it to when none of us are on? You'll see that the server dies at the same time regardless. Recently, with BF 6 coming out, 1.5 has been staying up later than usual! Last night, it was still going strong past 1:00 AM MST, which hasn't happened before and we were playing!
That alone undermines any argument you have about these players "killing" the server. You’ve got the data—please, prove me wrong, mate.
I'm talking long term, not the time it dies each night. As we've watched servers die (over the long term) we've learned how to help mitigate it. Part of that is preventing the server from being raped somewhat consistently. It's doing well right now (outside of the attacks) due to the influx of players, yes.
At the end of the day, it’s your server, mate. Just remember, it’s the regulars who come in and fill it up. Prime also rage quits before the game’s even over, so not sure how he’s stacking, lmao. As I said before, if bZ 1 wasn’t as toxic as it is now and was more like it was years ago, I’d come back in a heartbeat. We still play on bZ 1 too. But with all this nonsense going on, what guarantees do we have that we won’t get banned from bZ 1 for melting the snowflakes?
>You have a tight-nit circle jerk group and you still haven't addressed why you don't go run your own server.
Yeah no shit I don't want to go spin up my own server. Not sure how that is meant to make it ok for you to enforce unwritten and subjective rules against players without warning. I donated plenty to BZ over the last few years. Not gonna just "sit down and shut up" when I think what you're doing is a load of shit. I've been banned here before and had no problem serving out my time because I felt admins were fairly enforcing the rules. I've had buddies banned for various dumb reasons and I didn't complain about any of that because I felt admins were fairly enforcing the rules. Now I'm here complaining because I think you're out of line. Clearly I'm not the only one.
>I put the ban in place to start the conversation,
You randomly banned a dude from his regular server to "start a conversation," and you're surprised that conversation has involved a bunch of people being angry at you? And I thought prime was the autistic one here.
>Sometimes it's in the form of asking people not to play certain servers, sometimes it's asking people to back off, sometimes it's asking people to split up their group, sometimes it's telling people to "knock it off" and stop raping the server.
Maybe you should have asked prime to do some of these things before banning him and people wouldn't think you're power-tripping.
And again, if "raping servers" is now a bannable offense, please lay out specifically what that means (number of consecutive wins, margin of victory, or however you want to define it) in the server rules, so that those of us who don't want to catch a ban for being too good know when we need to ease off and let the "scrubs" (is this just a euphemism for squaretampon?) win a few.
Yeah no shit I don't want to go spin up my own server. Not sure how that is meant to make it ok for you to enforce unwritten and subjective rules against players without warning. I donated plenty to BZ over the last few years. Not gonna just "sit down and shut up" when I think what you're doing is a load of shit. I've been banned here before and had no problem serving out my time because I felt admins were fairly enforcing the rules. I've had buddies banned for various dumb reasons and I didn't complain about any of that because I felt admins were fairly enforcing the rules. Now I'm here complaining because I think you're out of line. Clearly I'm not the only one.
>I put the ban in place to start the conversation,
You randomly banned a dude from his regular server to "start a conversation," and you're surprised that conversation has involved a bunch of people being angry at you? And I thought prime was the autistic one here.
>Sometimes it's in the form of asking people not to play certain servers, sometimes it's asking people to back off, sometimes it's asking people to split up their group, sometimes it's telling people to "knock it off" and stop raping the server.
Maybe you should have asked prime to do some of these things before banning him and people wouldn't think you're power-tripping.
And again, if "raping servers" is now a bannable offense, please lay out specifically what that means (number of consecutive wins, margin of victory, or however you want to define it) in the server rules, so that those of us who don't want to catch a ban for being too good know when we need to ease off and let the "scrubs" (is this just a euphemism for squaretampon?) win a few.
I don’t really want to get back into the drama, as it’s why I took a 4 month hiatus, but I agree. BZ1 is toxic as fuck, I play as a giant goofball, and sure I get mad at one or two players, but for the most part I try to keep positive, albeit with a very strange sense of humor. I do not enjoy BZ1, not because I don’t get kills. If anything, me trying to see how many times I can kill myself in one game (and getting a temp ban for it) attest to that. I play to have fun, and play to chill out with the group.
Is it possible to compromise, and maybe limit access to vehicles? Infantry only or likewise? I will shift to BZ1 with my group if we must, but all that’s going to happen is the regulars over there are going to start calling everyone fags, doing everything in their power to record any mistakes or accidental tks, and try to get people banned.
I promise, in fact I invite you, to join our discord and see how we play to see that we don’t try to farm, or run people off the servers. It’s common place to back off of objectives, and switch tactics if it gets too abusive, like what can and does happen on Siege.
I do enjoy this community, and it’s why I decided to come back. I don’t think any of the admins or the owner are terrible people, and I understand what is trying to be done. Superman_Prime is a very polarizing individual and we ALL know it, but part of the fun is blowing him up in spectacular fashion, and to say he doesn’t get his just desserts when running a Vic is an understatement. It’s a long running joke to switch sides to try and C4 him.
I ask this, is it possible to develop a compromise to keep him on 1.5, that if it fails, then he gets the boot from 1.5 and and we all shift to 1? I, myself, really enjoy all of the regulars on 1.5, even the LIXO clan at this point because everyone plays very well, knows how to counter one another, and has a sense of community.
The UCAVs? That’s Razz and Beerus on back site fucking you up because you stole a heli. Locker? The LIXO clan is going to fuck you up. Tanks? Prime and Toast are holding it down. C4? Vak and Firedoc are about to punch your shit in. And extra chromosomes? I’m there to provide them aplenty.
I’m respectfully asking to rescind this decision, with the condition that prime change his playing style, and we (our little circlejerk as you put it) will clamp down on him to assure it works out.
Thank you for your consideration.
Edit: it also doesn’t get said enough, but you guys do, do a very good job on policing the server, so I mean this with complete respect in regards to that. It is your server to run as you see fit, this is merely a request.
Is it possible to compromise, and maybe limit access to vehicles? Infantry only or likewise? I will shift to BZ1 with my group if we must, but all that’s going to happen is the regulars over there are going to start calling everyone fags, doing everything in their power to record any mistakes or accidental tks, and try to get people banned.
I promise, in fact I invite you, to join our discord and see how we play to see that we don’t try to farm, or run people off the servers. It’s common place to back off of objectives, and switch tactics if it gets too abusive, like what can and does happen on Siege.
I do enjoy this community, and it’s why I decided to come back. I don’t think any of the admins or the owner are terrible people, and I understand what is trying to be done. Superman_Prime is a very polarizing individual and we ALL know it, but part of the fun is blowing him up in spectacular fashion, and to say he doesn’t get his just desserts when running a Vic is an understatement. It’s a long running joke to switch sides to try and C4 him.
I ask this, is it possible to develop a compromise to keep him on 1.5, that if it fails, then he gets the boot from 1.5 and and we all shift to 1? I, myself, really enjoy all of the regulars on 1.5, even the LIXO clan at this point because everyone plays very well, knows how to counter one another, and has a sense of community.
The UCAVs? That’s Razz and Beerus on back site fucking you up because you stole a heli. Locker? The LIXO clan is going to fuck you up. Tanks? Prime and Toast are holding it down. C4? Vak and Firedoc are about to punch your shit in. And extra chromosomes? I’m there to provide them aplenty.
I’m respectfully asking to rescind this decision, with the condition that prime change his playing style, and we (our little circlejerk as you put it) will clamp down on him to assure it works out.
Thank you for your consideration.
Edit: it also doesn’t get said enough, but you guys do, do a very good job on policing the server, so I mean this with complete respect in regards to that. It is your server to run as you see fit, this is merely a request.
Finally some logic. Happily, if you think you can control daddy Superman. Split your people between both teams, or in the cases of a rape happening, !assist to the losing team.
Though this has been asked of Superman before and it hasn't happened, so I don't expect any better results. You'll all be back in a month or two causing more drama when we clamp down again because nothing has changed.
You can quote me here, I will concede if it happens again. I will also try my best (I think my group likes me enough anyways) to get them to concede should we reach this point again. This is my written notice that if you do carry through with the rescinded offer, and we shit the bed again, then it sucks to suck and Bz1 it is. Everyone is at work at the moment, but we can have a big server wide discussion about tactics.
Since I’m a project manager by trade, if you do this for us, i would like a set of “specs” so to say, outlining what is and is not okay. If we are in violation of clear outlined rules in the future, then there will be no room for discussion.
Thank you again Neo.
Edit: these would not be server wide. Just pertaining to our group since we appear to upset so many.
Just to clarify, does this apply to bZ members too? I’ve seen you all farming on bZ 1, grouping up together. I really can’t stand hypocrisy.